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birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:43 am

There's a guy selling a new pair, just mocked up, pair of 14"s with 450/600 coils. Is that too stiff for the front? He's asking 1250 but I'll offer less.

WCCStrokinItRacing · Post by **WCCStrokinItRacing** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:46 pm

Rmc wrote:I bought a new set of deaver q80's. They were actually intended for my next build but I'm going back n forth over running them on my bronco and getting another set later on.

I run Q80's on mine with 12" by-passes. Let me tell you... doing 50-60 mph through woops as if they aren't even there... I love them! Also my spring rate on front is 300 over 400 adjusted all the way out. It is just a tick soft but I have all kinds of adjustment to stiffen up if needed. From the stuff I have put my rig through along with jumping it, it seems to be set up just right for my taste.

Rmc · Post by **Rmc** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 1:56 pm

WCCStrokinItRacing wrote:
Rmc wrote:I bought a new set of deaver q80's. They were actually intended for my next build but I'm going back n forth over running them on my bronco and getting another set later on.
I run Q80's on mine with 12" by-passes. Let me tell you... doing 50-60 mph through woops as if they aren't even there... I love them! Also my spring rate on front is 300 over 400 adjusted all the way out. It is just a tick soft but I have all kinds of adjustment to stiffen up if needed. From the stuff I have put my rig through along with jumping it, it seems to be set up just right for my taste.

I'm going to install the q80's after all, the national pack seems too soft to me. Glad I already bought them, they will be installed soon.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:11 pm

I've read the spring rate thread and a lot of people lean towards 350/500 or 400/450 or 450/500 or 500/500. Some had mentioned the 450/600. Mine does have the 5.8 so some extra weight there. I'm trying to get the guy down to 1000. That way I can sell the 600's if they're too stiff for some 500's.

snowman429 · Post by **snowman429** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:05 pm

I'm running 400/500 but I haven't driven it so I can't tell you how it does. I believe hobbyturnedobsession ran 400/500.

hobbyturnedobsession · Tue Oct 07, 2014 7:54 pm

I loved 400/500. Nice ride over the small stuff and with hydro bumps up front soaked up the whoops nicely.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:32 pm

Ok. Thanks guys. I got him down to 1k for them. Worst case I just sell the coils and buy what I want.

cs_drums · Post by **cs_drums** » Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:24 pm

I run 350/450 and it works great. Ditch the 600 and grab a 350, done deal ; )

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:59 am

cs_drums wrote:I run 350/450 and it works great. Ditch the 600 and grab a 350, done deal ; )

If both coils are 14"s I can do that. Otherwise I would have to get both. Right? If the 450 is only a 12" then that won't work. For what I understand.

WCCStrokinItRacing · Post by **WCCStrokinItRacing** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:21 pm

birdco85 wrote:
cs_drums wrote:I run 350/450 and it works great. Ditch the 600 and grab a 350, done deal ; )
If both coils are 14"s I can do that. Otherwise I would have to get both. Right? If the 450 is only a 12" then that won't work. For what I understand.

Yes with a dual rate coil over spring rate can differ depending on spring length. Mine in 22" 400 lower spring and 8" 300 upper spring if that helps.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:00 pm

What's the reasoning behind such a long lower? I've read do a 2" longer than stroke lower and whatever upper to equal double the stroke.

And not sure if you guys can tell but in the pictures in the first post, the Autofab shock mount sits away from the upper most corner a good 4". I measured today and looks like my collapsed length on the bypasses will be just about 1.5" too long. Would you guys recommend reworking the upper shock mount or the lower to push the mount further towards the rear. Maybe someone with the same upper mount can chime in.

WCCStrokinItRacing · Post by **WCCStrokinItRacing** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 1:16 pm

birdco85 wrote:What's the reasoning behind such a long lower? I've read do a 2" longer than stroke lower and whatever upper to equal double the stroke.

And not sure if you guys can tell but in the pictures in the first post, the Autofab shock mount sits away from the upper most corner a good 4". I measured today and looks like my collapsed length on the bypasses will be just about 1.5" too long. Would you guys recommend reworking the upper shock mount or the lower to push the mount further towards the rear. Maybe someone with the same upper mount can chime in.

Not sure on the exact reasoning for the different size springs. When I ordered mine form King, I went back and forth with Bret on my build and he is the one that suggested the spring size and weight. Also keep in mine these are 3.0 shocks not 2.5. That I believe would change the rate also.
In regards to your rear shock mount, I have the Threat one. I am sure they are pretty much identical. I do know that it needs to mount as tight as possible up in the corner of the body to allow the stroke of a 12" shock.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:34 pm

From the pics I've seen the threat/solo etc mounts are right in the corner. This one is about two inches back from the corner and then the tabs come off the rear also. Making it about 4ish inches back from the corner. I think I might bend up a piece of 1-1/2 and weld it off the brackets to put it in the corner.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:32 am

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so I picked them up today. 1000 for both with all four springs. The springs are 16" 600 and 14" 450. I guess I could run the 450 on the bottom but then the slider will run over the wiper cap. I guess I could sell both of them and buy all new. Or what if I did 450/450? This is all new to me, I've never had Coilovers before.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:08 pm

I also have the chance to pick up a set of spirit racing coilover towers with bump cans, all unwelded. Supposedly they mount a 14". It also comes with the engine crossover. What do you guys think?

ChaseTruck754 · Post by **ChaseTruck754** » Wed Oct 15, 2014 7:17 pm

Spirit makes good parts!

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:17 am

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do you guys think 650 is a good price. All unwelded. The ones pictured are just tacked. My buddy bought them last night.

Post by **SteveG** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:21 am

Yup. Welding is the easy part. Those are good towers.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:59 pm

Thanks for the replies. Waiting for a call back on them.

birdco85 · Post by **birdco85** » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:21 pm

Not much of an update but I made a tailpipe finally. I got tired of the smell coming inside anytime the back window is down or sitting at a light. I just used all the old tailpipe so it's far from perfect. I didn't prep it at all so the rust kind of inhibited my welds but they'll hold just fine.

And I finally got a hold of Jeremy at Spirit and he said he can make a set of towers by the end of November. So I'll probably hold out for those.

Everyone likes pics so here they are..

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