Stroker motor talk!-Threads merged

[robertcrav]

Hey Sebastian...I was only trying to sell it quick to pick up one that was already done...

[Agui-E7TE]

Yeah but get caught without it in CA and suffer a 750 dollar fine. Ive been told either port match the intake or get a trick flow intake

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Or register you vehicle in a CA location that does not require smog or inspections.
Easy if you do your homework.
Or if it is NOT a daily driver register it in AZ wher the rules are almost non existant. Like Robby who has both Hummers registered there.
PW

Only some parts of Arizona doesn't require emissions testing from what I hear.

As far as welding on fake cats.. one of the ways you could get busted is in one of those super rare emissions testing checkpoints. I've seen them in Los Angeles but it's been at least 8 years since I last saw one.

[Agui-E7TE]

Junkyard explorer intake off a 5.0 Explorer will not fit a 5.8...

That being said I'm doubly screwed with my '96...seems like almost all the legal 5.8 parts stop at '95

I'd love to see what a 351based , AFR headed, lightning intaked 393/408 felt like...

And I'm curious, if anyone has access to any desktop dyno software, what just some 1.7 rockers do to a stock truck as discussed either in this thread or another performance thread

I think I might go this route (1.7 rockers) plus an E303 cam and headers and Y-pipe just to see what it does. I've already got a set of underdrive pulleys on the Bronco and I could port match the intake runners as well as the throttle body to allow it to flow a little better. I plan on selling my Bronco in the future so I want to try to keep the amount of modifications down so it's easier to sell it. On the flip side, I have been tempted to go all out with the 460 in my '79 Bronco since I'll be trailering it in the future.

[hobbyturnedobsession]

I want to do edelbrock performer heads with 1.7 roller rockers and have my intake port matched. At least swap my rockers in the stock heads. Also have the intake reworked.

[PaulW]

Yeah but get caught without it in CA and suffer a 750 dollar fine. Ive been told either port match the intake or get a trick flow intake

=
Or register you vehicle in a CA location that does not require smog or inspections.
Easy if you do your homework.
Or if it is NOT a daily driver register it in AZ wher the rules are almost non existant. Like Robby who has both Hummers registered there.
PW

Only some parts of Arizona doesn't require emissions testing from what I hear.
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Fact
Its that way in all states. Big cities have polution and smg tests little cities do not. Rural do not. I mention AZ because a custom rig has loose requirements. Its really tough to get a custom rig approved in CA. The CA authorites make it tough because of all the previous abuse by the custom hot rod builders.
PW

[robertcrav]

.... CA authorites make it tough because of all the previous abuse by the custom hot rod builders.
PW

Yet I would bet those hot rod builders and us 'enthusiasts' would have vehicles running well enough to pass the sniffer...my assumption is it is/was the dilapidated/abused/neglected vehicles that are/were effecting smog levels. Not to mention the % of hot rods/custom rigs is so small and relatively insignificant compared to the % of older cars still on the road. Due to the economic uncertainty people are keeping older cars longer.

[Dust]

.... CA authorites make it tough because of all the previous abuse by the custom hot rod builders.
PW

Yet I would bet those hot rod builders and us 'enthusiasts' would have vehicles running well enough to pass the sniffer...my assumption is it is/was the dilapidated/abused/neglected vehicles that are/were effecting smog levels. Not to mention the % of hot rods/custom rigs is so small and relatively insignificant compared to the % of older cars still on the road. Due to the economic uncertainty people are keeping older cars longer.

Actually in a study I read several years ago by the CARB the largest and most common SMOG generator is a car less then 5 years old.
The reason is simple people can afford the car payment but not the requisite routine or other maintenance and they are the largest percentage of vehicles on the road.
To blame the draconian state that is California, on Hot Rodders is (in my opinion) simply foolish, the reasons are readily available and identifiable in contemporary history, do a little reading.
The off road community is fractured enough without falsely condemning the "custom hot rod builders" because you are not allowed to modify anything and that day will come. You are already seeing more and more restrictions on things like tire size, where only stock will do, never-mind that the OEM's generally shod the junk they build with beancounter specials. which as one person stated long ago are, 'only good enough to get you to the tire store!'

Sorry this just hits the wrong way.
Dust

[Rmc]

Hi gang, was hoping for a little advice on building a 347 stroker. So what I'd like to do is stock everything except long block. I've been told I can run pretty much stock everything :smog equip, computer sensors ect, I remember reading that more or less leave the battery leads disconnected for 20 mins, then hook the battery back up and let it run for 20 more minutes and I'm done, the computer will recalibrate to the new fuel air ect. supposedly street legal smog approved hauling ass. Is this true? I need someone who has done it and still passed California smog. If any of u fine folks have gotten stock everything else besides the long block, what injectors? Ect. It's a 94 obd1 5.0 currently. Appreciate the insight gang.

[Rmc]

FYI what i wanna run is a e303 ford racing cam, roush heads, probe industries bottom end kit power pullies, and a higher volume water pump.

[philofab]

The E303 will not like the ODB1 computer. I would choose a different cam that is designed to work with the non mass air computer.

[Agui-E7TE]

Tom runs an E303 cam in his F250 and it uses speed density and seems to run really well. Would the fact that he's using a stroker setup keep the E303 from working with his stock speed density system?

[philofab]

I thought his truck is mass air?

[hobbyturnedobsession]

I thought obd 1 mass air is only in 95

[baja-chris]

I think the 302 got mass air before the 351 did since they were using it in cars.

For the 351, mass air first showed up in trucks in 1995 with EEC-IV which is OBD-1.
In 1996, the ecu was the EEC-V which was OBD-II.

[tcm glx]

Toms truck is Speed Density.

Mass air did show up in 5.0s in 1994.

[Rmc]

Ill have to look at the book but I believe it is a mass air flow sensor in mine. A also remember reading some place u just have to change the injector and throttle body n that's pretty much it but the smog is my fear. What cam would work best? Anyone know some shop I can call n pick some guys brain? The one guy I was talking to was Kyle at j&m speed in riverside but I'm not shure if he works there anymore.

[philofab]

Mass air will work fine with the E303.

My experience with speed density is that it is extremely picky about cams. I did a cam in one once and had to do a custom tune to get it to run right.

[Agui-E7TE]

It would be cool if we could just use aftermarket intakes and convert over to Mass Air like later 5.0 Mustangs. My '91 Mustang has a pretty aggressive cam and it runs really nice even as a daily driver. It never stalls on me when idling in traffic but if I do idle it for long periods of time the check engine will come on until I get back on the throttle. With a 347 stroker though, you'll really have to think ahead about emissions since go fast parts can sometimes hinder it at the sniffer but that's not always the case.

All I know is that in sand, my Bronco feels like it's really underpowered and almost unsafe at times and adding more power to any Bronco will definitely make them safer for playing in the dunes so I'd say you're on the right track with your build.

I know that if I build a stroker motor for my Bronco I will pull out all the stops and go to Mass Air and likely run a set of Twisted Wedge heads with a Trick Flow intake manifold like the Mustangs.

[Rmc]

Mine definatly has a maf, so far I got a k&n n chopped the muffler off ( was like rusty Swiss cheese). It's got a single cat, with a single 02 sensor, does anyone recommend a high flow cat? And regarding headers what kind? Shorty or long?

[Becks_Bronco]

Be careful replacing the cats with high flow. Not all smog testers are friendly to aftermarket cats, especially since you're concerned with emissions