Transmission coolers
- RyanDS650X
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Transmission coolers
Im in the market for an auxilary trans cooler and so far ive found the b&m with fan to be a pretty nice option.
http://www.amazon.com/70297-Hi-Tek-Cool ... JMH80H3QKL
What are you guys using?
Are you running the stock cooler in series with an aftermarket one or plugging the stocker and using the aux cooler only?
Are you using barbed fittings or AN with braided lines?
http://www.amazon.com/70297-Hi-Tek-Cool ... JMH80H3QKL
What are you guys using?
Are you running the stock cooler in series with an aftermarket one or plugging the stocker and using the aux cooler only?
Are you using barbed fittings or AN with braided lines?
Re: Transmission coolers
I have the stock trailer pkg cooler in series with the biggest B&M blower unit that will fit. The tranny fluid pressure is low enough to use pushon hose. My install with cheepy hose clamps has been there since day one with no issues. I you drive where its warm all the time you can bypass the rad cooler like I do. I suggest a good t gauge, and an over-ride switch if you go with a blower unit.
My install uses no barbs. You can either bead the ends of the metal tubes or lightly scratch them with a die, then use 2 EFI clamps instead of the cheap worm gear ones. Get hose good for 300F.
Paul
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quote="RyanDS650X"]Im in the market for an auxilary trans cooler and so far ive found the b&m with fan to be a pretty nice option.
http://www.amazon.com/70297-Hi-Tek-Cool ... JMH80H3QKL
What are you guys using?
Are you running the stock cooler in series with an aftermarket one or plugging the stocker and using the aux cooler only?
Are you using barbed fittings or AN with braided lines?[/quote]
My install uses no barbs. You can either bead the ends of the metal tubes or lightly scratch them with a die, then use 2 EFI clamps instead of the cheap worm gear ones. Get hose good for 300F.
Paul
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quote="RyanDS650X"]Im in the market for an auxilary trans cooler and so far ive found the b&m with fan to be a pretty nice option.
http://www.amazon.com/70297-Hi-Tek-Cool ... JMH80H3QKL
What are you guys using?
Are you running the stock cooler in series with an aftermarket one or plugging the stocker and using the aux cooler only?
Are you using barbed fittings or AN with braided lines?[/quote]
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Re: Transmission coolers
The biggest single upgrade for an E4OD is larger cooling lines to increase flow. I added a external Wix fluid power filter on mine which increases capacity buy 1-2 quarts.
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Re: Transmission coolers
Philo, did you put the filter after the cooler and before the trans input, in the return line? That woul dmake sense to me... Cool clean fluid back to the trans. I remember seeing a filter write up on gfb.
Any other cooler/fan combos anyone likes or is B&M the ticket?
Any other cooler/fan combos anyone likes or is B&M the ticket?
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Re: Transmission coolers
Before the coolers so if my trans blew it wouldn't require replacement of the coolers and radiator. It also keeps stuff from blocking the coolers.RyanDS650X wrote:Philo, did you put the filter after the cooler and before the trans input, in the return line? That woul dmake sense to me... Cool clean fluid back to the trans. I remember seeing a filter write up on gfb.
Any other cooler/fan combos anyone likes or is B&M the ticket?
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Re: Transmission coolers
philofab wrote:The biggest single upgrade for an E4OD is larger cooling lines to increase flow. I added a external Wix fluid power filter on mine which increases capacity buy 1-2 quarts.
I'm with you, Philo.philofab wrote:Before the coolers so if my trans blew it wouldn't require replacement of the coolers and radiator. It also keeps stuff from blocking the coolers.
I run my filter before the B&M cooler and use the radiator cooler to warm up the fluid, as I live in the cool Pacific Northwest. If I was in warm Southern California, I would bypass the radiator.
Level 10 PTS Bullet Proof E4OD
Mag-Hytec Trans Pan (16 + 7.5 qts)
B&M 29,200 BTU Transmission Oil Cooler
Perma-Cool Trans Filter w/flexible steel AN braided lines
Pillar Pod Trans Temperature Gauge
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Re: Transmission coolers
FYI, that filter you have (51515) is meant for oil rather than hydraulic fluid/ATF. Wix Fluidpower filer # 51622 is what you want.
I would plumb through the radiator in any climate I'm in to keep the temps at a set range. To cool of a trans can cause issues just as bad as an overheated one. Wild temp swings are bad too.
FYI, my E4OD has 190K miles on it with heavy towing, big block power, and 37" tires... so my way works. It finally is starting to slip now.
I would plumb through the radiator in any climate I'm in to keep the temps at a set range. To cool of a trans can cause issues just as bad as an overheated one. Wild temp swings are bad too.
FYI, my E4OD has 190K miles on it with heavy towing, big block power, and 37" tires... so my way works. It finally is starting to slip now.
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Re: Transmission coolers
Thanks, I've been informed of my incorrect filter selection. At least it is not a Fram...philofab wrote:FYI, that filter you have (51515) is meant for oil rather than hydraulic fluid/ATF. Wix Fluidpower filer # 51622 is what you want.
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Re: Transmission coolers
Sounds good, my list of parts to order just keeps getting longer..... I guess i had better get used to it though. Thanks for the help fellas.
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Re: Transmission coolers
How much was that e40d, Seattle?
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Re: Transmission coolers
I checked out their website. They say it. Thats a nice trans Seattle.
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Re: Transmission coolers
$4800.00 delivered, hence all the protective upgrades including a BIG trans cooler.
After being compelled to install a B&M ShiftPlus Electronic Shift Improver Kit to increase line pressure, I resigned to the fact that my stock E4OD would rapidly fail behind the new 408 Stroker similar to the rapid destruction of my 8.8 Pinion Gear. To be pro-active, I ordered this custom built Level 10 PTS Performance Transmission w/custom Torque Converter.
The E4OD was custom built from scratch, computer graphed and designed specifically for my engine specs and dyno tune. It has high-energy performance clutches & bands, modified high output Pump, modified shift Solenoid and custom valve body modifications.
The Level 10 PTS Billet Torque Converter was also custom for my application with a custom pump, stator and turbine. It will have billet internals combined with an anti-balloon plate and a high-performance lock-up clutch. Level 10 owner Pat Barrett recommended that my stall be tighten up a bit over stock due to the low RPM torque of my engine.
The new custom E4OD will be installed alongside the existing Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan (16 + 7.5 quarts), B&M Racing 29,200 BTU Transmission Oil Cooler, Perma-Cool Remote Transmission Oil Filter Mount, Transmission Temperature Gauge and will run exclusively with Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
Not everyone would require such a transmission, but anyone putting out 500+ ft-lbs TQ will at some point need to address their drivetrain strength.
After being compelled to install a B&M ShiftPlus Electronic Shift Improver Kit to increase line pressure, I resigned to the fact that my stock E4OD would rapidly fail behind the new 408 Stroker similar to the rapid destruction of my 8.8 Pinion Gear. To be pro-active, I ordered this custom built Level 10 PTS Performance Transmission w/custom Torque Converter.
The E4OD was custom built from scratch, computer graphed and designed specifically for my engine specs and dyno tune. It has high-energy performance clutches & bands, modified high output Pump, modified shift Solenoid and custom valve body modifications.
The Level 10 PTS Billet Torque Converter was also custom for my application with a custom pump, stator and turbine. It will have billet internals combined with an anti-balloon plate and a high-performance lock-up clutch. Level 10 owner Pat Barrett recommended that my stall be tighten up a bit over stock due to the low RPM torque of my engine.
The new custom E4OD will be installed alongside the existing Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan (16 + 7.5 quarts), B&M Racing 29,200 BTU Transmission Oil Cooler, Perma-Cool Remote Transmission Oil Filter Mount, Transmission Temperature Gauge and will run exclusively with Amsoil Synthetic ATF.
Not everyone would require such a transmission, but anyone putting out 500+ ft-lbs TQ will at some point need to address their drivetrain strength.
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Re: Transmission coolers
what size fittings are you guys using to thread your cooling lines into your e4od? i pulled the check valve fitting out of the return and found that it's 5/8 diameter at 18 tpi, male. but i can't find any NPT to AN fitting that will work for that size and thread count. am i missing something?
Re: Transmission coolers
Fittings:
Look under hydraulic and/or pneumatic. Found some pretty trick ones on this site
http://www.eztruckaccessories.com
Paul
Look under hydraulic and/or pneumatic. Found some pretty trick ones on this site
http://www.eztruckaccessories.com
Paul
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Re: Transmission coolers
I just picked up this trans cooler out of an 05 Ford 5.4L powered motorhome. It measures 13.5" x 7.5"x1.5" and has .5" barbs. Aside from having to adapt down to smaller lines, it should work great.
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Re: Transmission coolers
Nice catch Steve, going to hit the JY up and look for one of those. I hear the F250 and F350s have larger ones as well.SteveG wrote:I just picked up this trans cooler out of an 05 Ford 5.4L powered motorhome. It measures 13.5" x 7.5"x1.5" and has .5" barbs. Aside from having to adapt down to smaller lines, it should work great.
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Re: Transmission coolers
awesome. thanks paul.
just curious but what's the highest temp you guys have seen from ur trans? i took a reading from the pan with an infrared gun and got 260 after pulling a tow rig and his toys out of the sand at pismo. scared me a bit but temp was back down to 180 after 10 min of idle. no sign since of slippage.
just curious but what's the highest temp you guys have seen from ur trans? i took a reading from the pan with an infrared gun and got 260 after pulling a tow rig and his toys out of the sand at pismo. scared me a bit but temp was back down to 180 after 10 min of idle. no sign since of slippage.
Re: Transmission coolers
I will repeat . With full synthetic ATF the temp redline is 250F With adequate coolers 200-225 is pretty high. Sweet spot is 180 -190F.
Temp redline with full syn at 250F is not the oil, but is the seals.
If one has dual coolers and exceed these temps a redo is advised and go to blower coolers.
We all learn the $hard$ way. Take my advice.
Paul
PS, Of course bigger coolers always are best use biggest that fits. Lots of us have 2 big ones and they are blower units. I have one blower and one not a blower, big No temp issues.
PW
Temp redline with full syn at 250F is not the oil, but is the seals.
If one has dual coolers and exceed these temps a redo is advised and go to blower coolers.
We all learn the $hard$ way. Take my advice.
Paul
PS, Of course bigger coolers always are best use biggest that fits. Lots of us have 2 big ones and they are blower units. I have one blower and one not a blower, big No temp issues.
PW
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Re: Transmission coolers
I have my sender in the factory test port which is slightly above the pan.
Is the galley its taking its reading from taking oil to the pan or from the pan?
Is the galley its taking its reading from taking oil to the pan or from the pan?
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Re: Transmission coolers
==========shockseals.com wrote:I have my sender in the factory test port which is slightly above the pan.
Is the galley its taking its reading from taking oil to the pan or from the pan?
Contraversial meaning opinions differ. You get to choose. The test port is not the first chioce most of the time just an easy place to put the thing.
* The tranny pump sucks from the pan. So that temp is what the tranny sees.
* The outlet of the tranny heasding for the coolers will tell you what the tranny has been exposed to. This place will be the highest you will ever see.
* If you buy a cook book cooler form a tranny place most likely it will have a port on the inlet to the cooler.
* if you want a sender to control the blower cooler or a red light then where do you want to put those ports? Most likely and easiest is ports on the pan.
Paul