The Gun Thread

[scraptor]

Hey Rod , heres some snapshots of Dad's old lee. He bought it from a neighbour who was "too stupid to have a gun" about 40 years ago.
If anyone can tell me anything about it , feel free.

[AussieRod]

Early 1900's, by the cocking piece. There is info on the wrist (the metal band between butt and forend) that would be worth knowing, but thats not a bad example, considering its age.

[SteveG]

That thing is cool. Inspired by the post above, I took the 20 seconds required to do some research and found out the .22 bolt-action rifle my father-in-law passed down to us was made sometime between 1934 and 1945... not surprising since it belonged to my wife's great grandfather. 70-ish years later, his great, great grandchildren are cutting their teeth on it.

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[scraptor]

Cool story on the 22. My grandfathers first 22 was given to his wifes baby brother Arch, it was a Winchester made in 1908 and now it lives with my cousin a mile away. Maybe I should get a box of 22lr and go visit. I can still remember great uncle Arch talking about how his wife could shoot like Annie Oakley.

[robertcrav]

So stoked it finally shipped, started DROS today

[Rmc]

Your stoked! Congrats bro.

[robertcrav]

Got Lower Parts Kits lol

[D1cker1]

Any worried about registration.. I need ak parts kits. Lol

[Rmc]

So does anyone know what legislative changes or new restrictions take effect jan1 in California? Per a conversation I was having: assult rifle magazines, high capacity blocked magazines, floor plate kits, and lower receiver parts kits will no longer be sold in ca. Anyone know if this is true? I also heard dros must be started before jan1 or you cannot purchase without training, basic fire arms saftey cert, 14 day cool off plus mental eval. New ammo restrictions. All long guns, shot guns included will have the same paperwork as handguns. Agian can anyone verify this stuff? Web articles ect? Also private party transfer restrictions. Help me out on this guys just trying to decipher fact from fiction.

[Rmc]

I heard about this one but what else?


http://www.insidebayarea.com/politics-g ... t-from-gun

[Rmc]

And this:

http://smartgunlaws.org/tracking-state- ... gislation/

[Agui-E7TE]

I heard much the same thing from a few coworkers. Luckily I get my Mossberg 500 out of jail tomorrow.

[Rmc]

I ordered 4 lower parts kits and 16 magazines yesterday. Next up is the expensive stuff.

[Rmc]

http://youtu.be/0j9oSEsGhjU

[Rmc]

2014 california gun law changes
So according to the dude at turners here's the skinny...
1st: Basically all long guns will be logged the same as pistols requiring a background check and basic fire arms saftey cert. this means the registry of serial number to your person is retained in a federally accessible data base indefinitely. Translation they know who's door to smash in if they were to do mass collection undermine and or abolish the 2nd amendment.
2nd: floor plate kits, conversion kits, and rebuild kits for all production magazines would be no longer for sale via the web at shows or in shops. The idea is to stop people from converting low capacity magazines into high capacity.
3rd: private party transfers would fall under the same guidelines as pistol sales, this means any private party transfer done after jan 1 is treated as a new sale even though its a used wepon and logged into the doj database and info stored indefinitely.
4th: dros changes: multiple( I believe up to 4 rifles) can be dros'd under a single dros. ( in my opinion this is for serial number gathering and logging in the state federally accessable data base)
Previous doj processing was to retain long guns and shot gun serial numbers for 3 days and if the background check was passed they dropped off, now what did drop off mean? Well not retained is what I gather. Now AR platformed wepon systems like the 10 and 15 were sold as California compliant sporting rifles that utilized a fixed magazine (bullet button) and minimum barrel length requirement. The rules stay the same but after jan 1 serial numbers, owners info will be retained indefinatly.
5th: 80 percenters...
Not alot of clarity on this detail but all 80 percenter finishing shops will be shut down. Before for a fee you could press go on a cnc machine in a shop to complete the machine work to a previously purchased 80% complete lower AR receiver. It is still legal however for one to build, machine,or finish their own wepons at home but not commercially as previous.

I advise you guys to get done what you need to get done to before now and then, new purchases included. No additional restrictions on bulk ammo or ammo quantity yet as proposed by our sell out utopian idealist legislators. There is a war on your freedoms guys wether your willing to get off your asses and do something or not. I am labled a right wing Waco by the media because I believe in the principals this country was founded upon. I'm ok with that but ill be damned if our forefathers blood was shed in veign to preserve a way of life that's being undermined by the people who were elected and swore to uphold the constitution. Just looking out for the ones that still believe in personal freedoms and need to get their affairs in order before its too late and the only arms left are in the hands of the govt enforcers and outlaws trying to cause public harm.

[Rmc]

Btw I got one of these little guys today. Cheap and it comes with 2 drums, 1 can hold 22,22lr,22l and the other 22 magnum. It's single action 135$ and just what the doctor ordered when the teaching firearm saftey to the kids. It was hard to resist for the price. Look mom I gots me a 6 shooter.... time to buy a horse lol.

[Wrightracing.net]

Ok. So I have built 2 AR15s from stripped lowers. One 16" carbine tactical, 1-7 barrel with basic 5.56 / .223 setup. Also a heavy bull barrel 20" match rifle with 3.5lb trigger and scope. Basically a 5.56/.223 sniper rifle. My next one like this will be a .308.

So I have a little experience with the AR platform.

My next project is an 80% AR 15 build. I plan to get a 80% AR15 billet lower with the jig to finish the 20% of the remaining machine work on my mill at home. I am planning a Tactical .22LR upper for cheap target fun.

My question is, on a normal stripped ar lower it is limited to a minimum of 16" for the barrel length due to its markings and destinations on the lower receiver. So I was wondering if a home built 80% ar rim fire is bound by those same rules and can I put a 11.5" barrel on the gun? If it is still under that rule I think I can still put the 11.5" on but I would have to put a 5.5" commando syle flash suppressor and weld it in place to make it to the original rules of 16".

I know that if an Ar with an SBR designation has a short barrel, it can not have a stock because it falls under handgun rules.

So again, would a 80% ar with a short barrel and no SBR markings be subject to the no stock rule?

So stupid, some gun laws make no sense. All of these configurations are still just a semi automatic gun that all fire the same round. Next they will outlaw a black single shot 410 shotgun because it is black and we all know assault wepons and machine guns are black so they will outlaw all black guns.

Sort or like the Olympic shooter that brought her target rifle to San Diego to train and it was considered an assault rifle because it was semi auto and you could remove the magazine without a tool. We have rocket scientists in the California legislature.

[Rmc]

I'm no ar expert by any means, just sighted the minimum requirement for guidelines in ca sold as ca compliant sporting rifles. Btw if any ones looking at the shootist in murrietta they have 2 Armalite ar10's with 22 inch ss bull barrel's free float, long foregrip ( mag light style) with solid butt stocks for 1500$. Pretty decent price for what they are. They have a bunch of cool stuff in stock right now and the prices are very reasonable. Identical to the pic minum scope and bypod.

[robertcrav]

My question is, on a normal stripped ar lower it is limited to a minimum of 16" for the barrel length due to its markings and destinations on the lower receiver. So I was wondering if a home built 80% ar rim fire is bound by those same rules and can I put a 11.5" barrel on the gun? If it is still under that rule I think I can still put the 11.5" on but I would have to put a 5.5" commando syle flash suppressor and weld it in place to make it to the original rules of 16".

I know that if an Ar with an SBR designation has a short barrel, it can not have a stock because it falls under handgun rules.

So again, would a 80% ar with a short barrel and no SBR markings be subject to the no stock rule?

So stupid, some gun laws make no sense. All of these configurations are still just a semi automatic gun that all fire the same round. Next they will outlaw a black single shot 410 shotgun because it is black and we all know assault wepons and machine guns are black so they will outlaw all black guns.

It is my understanding since an 80%, if built by you, is a hand made firearm, and there fore unregistered you can do whatever you want, pistol or long gun.... HOWEVER, once you try to officially sell it, it would need to be dros'd, serialed and registered, and then follow all the rules...

And your last statement is why I'm gonna paint my ARs Green LOL

[cs_drums]

My question is, on a normal stripped ar lower it is limited to a minimum of 16" for the barrel length due to its markings and destinations on the lower receiver. So I was wondering if a home built 80% ar rim fire is bound by those same rules and can I put a 11.5" barrel on the gun? If it is still under that rule I think I can still put the 11.5" on but I would have to put a 5.5" commando syle flash suppressor and weld it in place to make it to the original rules of 16".

I know that if an Ar with an SBR designation has a short barrel, it can not have a stock because it falls under handgun rules.

So again, would a 80% ar with a short barrel and no SBR markings be subject to the no stock rule?

So stupid, some gun laws make no sense. All of these configurations are still just a semi automatic gun that all fire the same round. Next they will outlaw a black single shot 410 shotgun because it is black and we all know assault wepons and machine guns are black so they will outlaw all black guns.

It is my understanding since an 80%, if built by you, is a hand made firearm, and there fore unregistered you can do whatever you want, pistol or long gun.... HOWEVER, once you try to officially sell it, it would need to be dros'd, serialed and registered, and then follow all the rules...

And your last statement is why I'm gonna paint my ARs Green LOL

Couple things to add...
When building an 80%er you have to adhere to all state and local laws. So the end product would have to be something you could go and by complete from a store is the easiest way to think of it.
Also you cannot sell a 80%er legally ever. It is built by you for you and that is all it can ever be. ARES Armor has a bunch of info on there sight about the legalities of it.