The Gun Thread

[Rmc]

I just know one of you comedians wil say it was him. And my reply would be im very sorry and nice jockey shorts bro!!

[Wrightracing.net]

Thats why I like shooting against the hills . Don't have to worry about hitting anyone or anything.

[Rmc]

Thats why I like shooting against the hills . Don't have to worry about hitting anyone or anything.

That was one of the rare times we didnt.

[Rmc]

California's Most Ambitious Handgun Ban Now Underway

Posted on January 24, 2014

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In 1976, the Brady Campaign, then known as the National Council to Control Handguns, said that the first part of its three-part plan to get handguns and handgun ammunition made "totally illegal" was to "slow down the increasing number of handguns being produced and sold in this country." This month, anti-gunners finally got that wish in California.

America's two largest handgun manufacturers--Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger--have announced that they will stop selling new semi-automatic handguns in California, rather than comply with the state's "microstamping" law. The law applies not only to entirely new models of handguns, but also to any current-production handgun approved by the state's Roster Board, if such handgun is modified with any new feature or characteristic, however minor or superficial.

According to the Los Angeles Times, the law was "intended to help police investigators link shell casings found at crime scenes to a specific gun." That's pure spin, however. In reality, the law, signed in 2007 by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is intended to terminate semi-automatic handgun sales and, over time, semi-automatic handgun ownership in the state. "Microstamping" will solve few, if any crimes and it is only a matter of time before a proposal to expand the law to include other firearms will follow.

Meanwhile, the National Shooting Sports Foundation has announced that it and the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute have filed suit against the law in Fresno Superior Court "seeking both declaratory and injunctive relief against this back-door attempt to prevent the sale of new semiautomatic handguns to law-abiding citizens in California."

Anti-gun activists often refer to California as the test bed for gun control laws they would like to have imposed throughout the country. Thus, it goes without saying that gun owners outside California should anticipate "microstamping" efforts in their states, and do what it takes to elect pro-Second Amendment governors and state legislators to deny the anti-gunners additional victories.

However, making sure that what has happened in California doesn't happen elsewhere is not the only reason to step up our election year efforts. California accounts for 12 percent of the nation's population and approximately eight percent of its handgun owners. We owe it to our fellow countrymen--our Second Amendment brothers and sisters--to elect a pro-Second Amendment president and senators who will approve that president's nominations to the federal courts, where California's "microstamping" law might one day be challenged. What is true in football is also true in the effort to keep America's most popular type of handguns legal and affordable: the best defense is a good offense.

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[SteveG]

I generally avoid politics since, clearly, the masses are getting what they want here in CA and throughout the U.S. but this is good news and worth sharing. It's good to see there are still good people putting up a good fight here behind enemy lines. So, I"m breaking my vow to keep politics off GFB... just for a little bit. Then back to our regularly scheduled program!

Court strikes California law limiting concealed weapons

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/C ... 232386.php

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/o ... 056971.pdf

[cs_drums]

Sounds like progress to me. Did i read it correctly that even though they struck the Law that it has been appealed and wont go into effect till the next hearing happens?

[damon1272]

California move a step closer to freedom today. I foresee the Sheriff's not recognizing the court decision and continuing to deny permits.

[robertcrav]

1911 Cut Away

[yikes]

Who has the best value in a 9mm 1911?

[cs_drums]

Who has the best value in a 9mm 1911?

That's a trick question, a 1911 should only be bought in .45! Haha

[Nick]

Who has the best value in a 9mm 1911?

Have you shot a 1911? If you're in the market for a handgun, fire some before you buy. I thought I wanted a 1911 until I shot one. I just didn't like how it felt in my hand. Let's get some guys together for a range day. I'm sure there would be a big variety for you to try.

[SteveG]

Who has the best value in a 9mm 1911?

Have you shot a 1911? If you're in the market for a handgun, fire some before you buy. I thought I wanted a 1911 until I shot one. I just didn't like how it felt in my hand. Let's get some guys together for a range day. I'm sure there would be a big variety for you to try.

I'm not into 1911's but if I was going to buy one, it would be a .45. Due to their size, I imagine a 9mm 1911 would be almost like a .22 pistol. Fun to shoot but a little to soft to get you excited. My friend's .45 Kimber was on par with my 9mm fullsize. I attributed it to the difference in size & weight.

[Ford 4 US]

Do u like plastic or steel

[SteveG]

Do u like plastic or steel

When it comes to handguns... Plastic!

[yikes]

Do u like plastic or steel

Heavy steel. Not interested in light weight or compact. Not planning to carry. I liked the idea of a 9 to keep ammo costs down (vs .45's), but it looks like the rounds don't stay on the shelf long these days. .40's I'm told are more available, possibly due to being a common round for law enforcement?

Nick - I like 1911's. Their not as comfortable as some, but I like a little uncomfortable and heavy. Feels like a weapon and maintains my respect of it. Personally I feel less likely to make a mistake with a gun that forces my attention. No, I don't want a Desert Eagle. Haha!

Back to the question, but let's say a standard .45 1911 to calm the purist. Best value? Kahr maybe? Would love a Kimber, or Springfield, but hoping for a nice piece for well under a grand.

[SteveG]

...but hoping for a nice piece for well under a grand.

Buy two polymer guns for under a grand and strap some weights to them. Double win!

Hahaha! Sorry, I couldn't resist!

[yikes]

...but hoping for a nice piece for well under a grand.

Buy two polymer guns for under a grand and strap some weights to them. Double win!

Hahaha! Sorry, I couldn't resist!

Asshole!

[SteveG]

BTW: Fill a full size 9mm with 18 rounds and they're plenty heavy... just a thought. OK, I'll leave you alone now!

http://www.gunbroker.com/All/BI.aspx?Keywords=9mm+1911

[SteveG]

.40's I'm told are more available

I see plenty of .40 on the shelves. More money... but available. I don't know anything about dinosaurs... err, I mean 1911's but it is possible to buy a larger caliber and a conversion barrel and magazines to shoot cheaper caliber(s)?