Mark Keifer pedophile

[hobbyturnedobsession]

You have an obsession with penises.

[hobbyturnedobsession]

Please. I am no where near misguided and yes you did mean for it to get personal. Like ive said before in my eyes you are not welcome here.

[Dezertbronco]

Ladies and Gents, Let please remember that this is a friendly forum, bickering back and fourth on the internet is just plain dumb, I come on this fourm to read wholesome content in a drama free forum, Im sure others might feel the same, If people want to crap talk each other trade phone numbers and have at it. Like I said before Justice will prevail, Guilty or Not Guilty. The guy is innocent untill Proven Guilty in a court of law. He will have his day in court , Lets not hang dirth laundry all over the internet and make ourselfs look like fools.

we are all adults, lets act like it.

[cuz_im_CR]

Watch the language! If you can't discuss this as an adult, then don't post. If this is going to turn into a member on member bashing, it will go poof!

For anyone that does not wish to be here, or does not wish to be associated with gfb, then by all means leave. No one is forcing you to be here.

whats your take on all this nick? innocent? guilty? you seem to know mark. you rep his product in your signature.

[robertcrav]

I chose to not comment on the limited knowledge I have about his ongoing case...and my personal opinions about his involvement are just that...my opinion

[yikes]

@cuz_im_CR and the OP - You're attacking the character and integrity of those of us who created GFB. We don't know you. You don't know us. I would encourage you to take the time to get to know us though. You might have a different view. Tossing us and the site into an individual's personal affairs is not right. It is presumptuous and unfounded. Blanket statements can cause a lot of undue damage. They're irresponsible and lack integrity.

[tvoymang]

I am not the OP......

[cuz_im_CR]

@cuz_im_CR and the OP - You're attacking the character and integrity of those of us who created GFB. We don't know you. You don't know us. I would encourage you to take the time to get to know us though. You might have a different view. Tossing us and the site into an individual's personal affairs is not right. It is presumptuous and unfounded. Blanket statements can cause a lot of undue damage. They're irresponsible and lack integrity.

the only reason i toss the site into the individual personal affair of mark is because certain people know what is going on with him and why he isnt around anymore but continue to represent him and do business with him... those people are the main people on this site. for example, nick has southwest all over his signature and i know he knows whats going on... SAD.

this obviously isnt going anywhere. you guys believe he is innocent so there for it is what it is... its a shame that this site was decent. its too bad.... im over this site and its pedo ways

[SteveG]

I've heard that people on here or shielding his actions by deleting posts....

Only one person on GFB (me) can delete posts, so that accusation must be directed at me. It appears I’m being accused of continually deleting posts about a continuing case against Mark. This is absolutely not true and if you are spreading such lies, you can go fuck yourself. I take my integrity seriously and will not stand by while you sling mud at me. If you have a problem with me, you are welcome to contact me directly.

For the record, and because I have nothing to hide, here is my “involvement” in the matter.

When the news stories about accusations against Mark first broke, I deleted one thread, maybe two, on the topic (you’ll have to forgive my memory, that was, what? 2-3 years ago? (Not hiding anything, I simply don’t remember). I contacted the author(s) and asked that they hold off on re-posting to make sure the charges were legit. I did NOT ask that they never post on the subject again.

Why?
The number one reason is, Mark has a family. A wife and a kid (or two?) and parents and I don’t know who else. Whatever the outcome, they will suffer because of this the rest of their lives. This breaks my heart in ways I cannot describe. My thoughts immediately turned to his wife and kid(s) when I first heard of this.

Originally, there were only accusations and although I don’t really know Mark other than conversations online, I know people that have known him for many years and think (thought?) very highly of him. I, like everyone else, didn’t want to believe it and hoped it wasn’t true.

The guilty plea: Today is the first of heard of it. How does this affect the board? It doesn’t.

Regarding the deleting and editing of posts:

In the 3-ish years of GFB’s existence, I have probably only deleted about a dozen threads that were not duplicates or mistakes. The vast majority of those were completely insignificant. One was the infamous LED light bar thread in which grown men acted like a bunch of teenage girls and, in which users deleted much more content than I ever have. Yes, USERS have deleted more content than I have. In light of recent edits by USERS, the edit feature will be permanently removed from the board. Congratulations.

Why Will and Chris think I will delete the recent posts concerning this, I don’t know. What exactly do I have to hide? It seems a handful of people think I’ve spent a lot more time dwelling on this (or GFB in general) than I actually have. My time is spent with my family, working to provide for my family and, when there is time and is necessary, monitoring GFB. The fact of the matter is, if/when GFB becomes too labor intensive to operate, we will simply shut it down. At the moment, flipping the switch to the off position and spending time with my family as I intended to do tonight sounds really good....

Chris (cuz_im_CR), Debating your point of view is one thing. Acting like a child and name calling is another. The latter will not be tolerated on GFB. Behave like an adult.

[yikes]

this obviously isnt going anywhere. you guys believe he is innocent so there for it is what it is... its a shame that this site was decent. its too bad.... im over this site and its pedo ways

Then GTFO. You've made up your mind.

[yikes]

The following are my words and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of GFB or my fellow founders:

GFB does not and will not support personal interests and we recognize the pitfalls of doing so. In fact, the only cause that we've semi-officially supported was that of the Wounded Warriors Foundation. From it's inception, we have striven to make this a place a quiet corner for people to hang their hats, so to speak. A place where people could come to relax and the end of a tough day. A place without drama. In the past year many small events have transpired that have left a bad taste in our mouths. The enjoyment has diminished.

We're not a business, people! We're a group of relatively down to earth guys that wanted to create a space to hang out with others having similar go fast interests. It was working so well for quite some time. We knew problems would arise if the site grew and did it ever grow! Wow! It was so exciting to see so many of you join and share your Broncos, your interests, your lives! with us. What a great experience. I've made more friends here than in the past 40 years. Haha!

This site is much like being a new parent. You have no experience, yet you have no choice but to learn and grow with your child. We're trying to learn and grow. Maybe we're not doing the best job, but it's our first time and guess what? We went for it. We haven't done that bad have we? Our only expectation is that our members behave as adults. Throwing out childish accusations, insults, name calling, etc etc demonstrates a certain lack of maturity and cannot be tolerated. Out of respect for all of our members, we have to play police from time to time. We don't like to. We don't want to. We must!

This situation is weighing heavy on me and my GFB team. Thanks fellas! Toss me a bottle.

[tvoymang]

Honestly, I hope that I AM wrong about this. It makes me sick and sad to see that there are people like this in the world. I was just completely floored to find out that there were such heinous alligations against a fellow member of the offroad community and even more so taken aback to hear that certain people were aware of this yet acted like nothing was going on.

I understand Steve's initial want to protect Mark's family and potentially his business, but being that this is a case that is a few years old now and i am sure there have been many developments, I would assume that something must have come of it? I am just curious how/why the site would knowingly support someone who had this type of case up against him. It's not like Keifer was just any old member. Talk about a liability! Sheesh..

I suppose at the end of the day it really doesn't matter, people will believe and side with who they want, for whatever motivation....but I am just thrown completely off by this being taken so lightly.

[SteveG]

I understand Steve's initial want to protect Mark's family and potentially his business, but being that this is a case that is a few years old now and i am sure there have been many developments, I would assume that something must have come of it?

My initial "want", as you put it, is the extent of the effort I have given this matter. It might be hard to believe, but GFB and its members are not my passion and do not consume a large portion of my time. I have enough on my plate without having to follow this case. I did not and do not find it necessary to investigate, judge or report on this subject.

[Nick]

I'm not obligated to explain myself to any of you, but i'll indulge you...

I've known Mark for a few years. I've met his parents, and i've become friends not only with him, but with his wife. I've spent enough time with him to have formed a very high opinion of him. There's not many people that will give of their time and knowledge and expect nothing in return. There's not many people that will go out of their way to make sure a friend is taken care of. It is for these reasons that i still call Mark my friend.

I'm a firm believer in innocent till proven guilty. He's not had his court date, and has not been proven guilty. I'm no lawyer, i don't know all the ins and outs of the system. Until such a time that he's proven guilty, my opinion will stay the same.

Why do i put his business in my sig? Because there are people in this world that will crucify him without knowing the facts, and will try to destroy his business. He has young children, and a wife, and i don't want to see them harmed, or to go hungry. So i rep his business for them.

[tvoymang]

From the way you put it, it seems like even if he is proven guilty, you'll still believe his innocence. I'll be the first to agree with our judicial system being flawed. And like I said, i truly hope i am wrong. But i find it very very VERY hard to believe that there isn't at least some truth to this. And even a conviction of the slightest inkling, that would be enough for me to shy away from being a supporter. The federal government would not bring up these kind of charges without sufficient evidence. Think of the kind of reprocussions that would cause for them... All kinds of privacy violations. The gov has been wrong before, and like previously stated, here in the good ol US of A, we are innocent until proven guilty. My opinion is based upon the fact that these things are not something that can be pinn

[tvoymang]

Pinned* as an accident or misinderstanding... But its just that, like yours, MY opinion.

[funinthesun95]

Thanks for sharing your feeling…….. cuz_im_CR

This forum was founded by a group of psychologist who encourage members to share their feelings. Please keep up the delightful sharing and find that happy place you are looking for…….Gofast for life

Now take a screen shoot of this

Kick Fucking Rocks……….you made it clear this sites not for you…….you question the integrity of the site its membership and the leadership of GFB.

I’m just a guy that is asking that the one off-road site that offers drama free forums stay that way.

Also due to this statement
“Only reason i am still here is to make sure innocent members know whats up.”
Please change tvoymang screen name to GFBguardianangel as they are not on here to do anything but look out for the membership….. Thank you for your service GFBguardianangel AKA tvoymang.

Now this is when one of you posts some witty or clever remark and we banter back and forth.

(Note: this forum is not really founded by psychologist)

[bajascott]

Shit ...I thought it was founded by psychologists.

[AussieRod]

As a victim of sexual assault in my childhood on several seperate occations, I can understand the OP's feelings about this, but there are bigger reasons this hasnt come up. We as members are not here to judge others actions, thats the place of a court and jury. IF such accusations are true, IF he is found guilty, then justice (as flawed as the system might be) will be served. The privacy of an innocent family is at stake here, too, so keep that in mind before ranting away. Remaining Mark's friend, even if he is found guilty, has nothing to do with believing his innocence. Child porn, as disgusting as it is, doesnt make it a reason to hate somebody who has done right by those he has dealt with in business. We are all free to express our opinions, but sometimes its best to keep them to yourself. Sometimes it is better to be quiet and thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt. NO_ONE is hiding this away from the members, there are those who prefer not to discuss it here out of respect for EVERYONE here AND for the family involved. Please, be civil, discuss your concerns via PM or GTFO, as others have offered.

[economig]

Somebody read this shit for greaselife

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