who's running a "built" motor?

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shockseals.com wrote:
RyanDS650X wrote:Ive got a 351 with edelbrock aluminum cylinder heads, upper and lower intake manifolds and headers. Bassani Y pipe, magnaflow 3" cat back with hi flow cat and Ford Motorsports E303 cam, dyno tuned at 211HP and 289ft lbs. Bottom end is stock.
stock injectors, fuel pump, throttle body, MAF, and intake?
Yep all that is stock. I have an AEM Dryflow filter but thats it.

Cam timing is retarted 2*
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So with the extra air flow you have ! Where are the 24lbs injectors , the v10 tb , And a 04 f150 mass and a ADS tune in S Chander
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Larger injectors arent necessary at this point. As for the other stuff... i have no idea what you mean.
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Larger injectors will help you get the HP power you have paid for.
The 25% air flow increase of the intake manifold that you have already chosen is great.
You have done good on the top end , But find the time to get or HP You Paid for...Do the Math
If you add the following items -
v10 throttle body Oval... See the yikes built thread for more info
04 f150 83mm mass
24 Lbs injectors...stock 460
and it would be nice to have a 40psi fuel psi regulator

This will greatly improve your horsepower numbers, and get you where you wanted

This combo has proven to 295 hp in Phx Ax. After 30 years of building Fords just trying to help.

Greg will do a nice tune is you need the help

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Im happy with it for now, thanks for the heads up.
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baja-chris wrote:The old wisdom that a 392 was more reliable or that a 408 was about as big as you should go, do not apply with these new bad ass blocks and high end parts.
The limitation was the rod ratio. That bad ass block has the same deck height so the same rules still apply. Anything over 4" stroke means shorter rod and crappier ratio. Under 1.6 your ports need to start getting larger to handle the harsher intake pulses and not starve the motor. This does not help the bottom end power. Keeping the rod ratio near 1.7 will limit you to a 3.875 stroke with that deck height. Now, if you can combine that with a 4.125 bore to unshroud the valves you can start making real torque and power.
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tcinu2 wrote:Larger injectors will help you get the HP power you have paid for.
The 25% air flow increase of the intake manifold that you have already chosen is great.
You have done good on the top end , But find the time to get or HP You Paid for...Do the Math
If you add the following items -
v10 throttle body Oval... See the yikes built thread for more info
04 f150 83mm mass
24 Lbs injectors...stock 460
and it would be nice to have a 40psi fuel psi regulator

This will greatly improve your horsepower numbers, and get you where you wanted/

Can you elaborate on some of this. It contradicts some of the info I've come across.

The last time I did my research and ran the numbers the maf and the throttle body where more than enough for even a 408 spinning up to normal defueling rpm. Running the e303 the r's could go higher but with stock cubes he should still be okay. I am interested in the v10 throttle body though. I'll hunt down that build you mentioned.

And from first hand experience I've found the smallest injector you can run with an acceptable duty cycle is the most efficient. For emissions, idle and power.

I fully understand every restriction adds up to the lump sum of hp and there's usually no harm in having less restriction that early in the induction system. I'm asking because I want to know and promote an actual discussion in here separating mustang high rpm powerband tech from go fast bronco low/ midrange stump puller tech. Thanks for sharing.
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I'm curious on more bronco specific information. It seams all our motor tech gets watered down with mustang talk.

Also very interested in the v10 throttle body. Will this work with SD?
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I didnt bother with a larger maf or injectors based on my afr which even at WOT stayed around 13. This was also explained to me by my dyno guy. I also have no desire to ditch the factory intake and filter set up either. I forgot to mention i have a Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator set at 40lbs.
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Ryan Have you run into any smog issue's because you are running a aftermarket pressure regulator? I had a smog tech fail a Bronco for having one and a pressure guage under the hood.
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Hes in AZ so he don't have no stinking smog. Lucky bastard...
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spray it flat black and through some gunk on it, hope they dont notice.
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The V10 throttle body combination with the Ford Racing 83 mm mass airflow sensor and the 24 lb injectors were first tried by Gary Dunn at Ford racing on a 96 Bronco. The gain was up to 55 horse power. I do not remember the torque with headers and upgraded exhaust,Bigger gains were obtained with the 58cc gt40 heads This was used by the Factory ford off road team in many applications

The oval tb has a more efficient flow at 2000 rpm to 4500 rpm and 19 pounds of torque increase , the v10 tb had not been tried on a sd system that i know

The 24lbs (460) injectors have been a 351 upgrade for years and came factory on gen 1 Lightning and cobras r351 package. None Cal emission

With 40-50 psi fuel regulator and 24-40 psi injector you have a much greater tune capability, Check your tec with ford racing, afr , tfs or http://forum.efidynotuning.com/ try this

The e303 cam was designed for the 5.0 for road racing and mid to upper rpm range in the early 90's

A 351/393/408 will run on a stock tb and mass but will need 40 psi injectors and a 255gpm fuel pump with adjustable fuel reg to tune it if 390hp is the objective To go higher Hp you will need to revisit the set up , you may want to read Seattle fsb build thread

All so very good reading http://www.dragzine.com/tech-stories/en ... w-stroker/

A motor is a air pump ,more air in, more air out, more air means you can burn more fuel and create more power . do the math

Remember, everyone will have either own opinion on this, so you need to figure out what will work best for your application
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Do you know off hand what the gpm of the factory fuel pump is?
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Correct me if im wrong, the stock SD and MAS TB are the same part so in theory the v10 should work for SD as well. I have done a bunch of research on windsor building but have no real world experience.
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This is all I could find via google...

http://untamnd.com/grams/tb
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THE FUEL PUMP GPH RATINGS CHANGE BY CALIBRATION AND YEAR , WHAT FORD SHOWS IS 167-187, I CAN GET MUCH CLOSED WITH A VIN/CALIBRATION CODE IN DRIVER DOOR JAM OR ON THE PCM, PM ME YOUR INFO

I CAN NOT USE THE WEB LINK RIGHT NOW THE SANDERSON FORD SYSTEM IS LOCKED DOWN , WILL LOOK WHEN FLYING HOME TONIGHT , THE PIN OUT ON THE EEC 4 AND EEC 5 ARE DIFFERENT

THE STOCK 351W BLOCK TAKEN TO 30 OVER IN THE PHX AREA WILL NOT OVER HEAT , OVER THAT IS A DICE ROLL IN THE SUMMER, I LIKE THE -15/22CC DOME PISTONS WITH THE 62CC HEADS , ANYMORE THEN 4.00 STROKE SEAM TO USE OIL. HAVE WORKED THIS COMBO LOTS

JUST LOOKED AT ECO BOOST WITH NOISE IN PASS BANK , THIS IS THE 4TH ONE IN 09/14 FOR ME , WILL GET A COMPLET SO WE CAN TAKE IN DOWN TO SEE WHAT UP
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This is good info to have for when i start phase 2. Ill pm you the vin next time im in the bronco.
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Here's my motor:

Ford Racing 6007-XE3 302 crate motor
9000-L58 Mass-Air Conversion with AKC0 EEC
80mm Ford Racing MAF
30 lb. Injectors
Moates Quarterhorse / Custom Tune by Adam Marrer of Pops Racing (motor and E4OD)
Ford Racing 6250-E303 Cam
GT40X Aluminum Heads - Ported, Polished and Comp Valve Job
Custom Stainless Steel Intake Y-Pipe (between MAF and twin-bore throttle body)
Ford Racing Shorty Headers w/Bassani 3" Y-pipe, H-Flow Metallic Cat & Flowmaster Delta Force 10 muffler
Edelbrock Performer Truck EFI Intake
BBK Twin 56mm Throttle Body
Ford Racing Double Roller Timing Chain (4 degree advance) & Windage Tray
Ginormous K&N Air Filter
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I forgot.. I also just put in a HighFlowFuel 255lph in-tank pump to feed the thing properly, finally getting rid of my stock in-tank pump & external in-line booster pump setup.
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