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Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:59 am
by njackson580
Been looking for a while for the perfect bronco. Got a lead on one almost perfect. It's a 91 Eddie Bauer, 5.8/ e40d. How hard is it to change the electronic transfer case control to a manual control on the floor?

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:38 am
by hobbyturnedobsession
Easy. You need a manual transfer case with the stick and linkage. The hole is covered by a panel.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:52 am
by Silverslk
The electric case isnt horrible. Mine never failed to operate... just excercise it regularly and the motor will last.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:47 am
by njackson580
hobbyturnedobsession wrote:Easy. You need a manual transfer case with the stick and linkage. The hole is covered by a panel.
Awesome. So not could be done by someone mechanically inclined, but likes to work... Ahem... Under the influence? Haha

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 10:50 am
by njackson580
Silverslk wrote:The electric case isnt horrible. Mine never failed to operate... just excercise it regularly and the motor will last.
I've seen them fail to many times. Not to mention, if I get stuck somewhere in 2 and need four, the auto system makes it difficult to get into four without travel space (to my knowledge of how the system works.) So manual hubs would also be going in.

In short, I prefer a manual 4wd system.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:36 pm
by Silverslk
You need the manual hubs to prevent the hubs from unlocking when you go in reverse (like rocking out of snow or something) but the T-case isnt really a issue.... but if you've seen them fail many times.... then your mind is set. :)

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:51 pm
by philofab
Silverslk wrote:You need the manual hubs to prevent the hubs from unlocking when you go in reverse (like rocking out of snow or something) but the T-case isnt really a issue.... but if you've seen them fail many times.... then your mind is set. :)
The auto hubs won't unlock unless you are reversing and the axle is not spinning. If the axle is spinning (IE transfer case is in 4wd) the hubs stay locked.

The manual transfer case will need to have a VSS provision on it I think, because that year has the VSS in the output housing rather than the rear end.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:19 am
by njackson580
Here's the bronco in question:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4699498750.html

And looky there : 4wd doesn't work. That's why I want manual.

Thank you guys for the help!

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:50 am
by Silverslk
njackson580 wrote:Here's the bronco in question:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4699498750.html

And looky there : 4wd doesn't work. That's why I want manual.

Thank you guys for the help!
By the looks of the ad... you should put manual windows and remove the AC too !!! :D

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:24 pm
by njackson580
Silverslk wrote:
njackson580 wrote:Here's the bronco in question:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/4699498750.html

And looky there : 4wd doesn't work. That's why I want manual.

Thank you guys for the help!
By the looks of the ad... you should put manual windows and remove the AC too !!! :D
Haha I gotta have power windows, especially in something as wide as a bronco.

However, turning the ac pump into an on-board air compressor could be quite useful...

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:41 pm
by cs_drums
The e tcase is fine. I have a Shifters in a tool bag for the worst case senario but it's 3 bolts if I need it.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 5:58 pm
by VintageIronFab
I guess my question is if putting a manual tcase in a 96 FSB -- as a rule of thumb what's the best year and model to get a manual one from ??

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:13 pm
by philofab
Doesn't matter as long as it's a Bronco 1356. The trucks all had different outputs.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:16 am
by PaulW
My search lasted for many months. Ever time I saw a 96 with manual transfer the all were leakers with puddles under the motor. I was looking in AZ & CA. The one I found came from a ranchers wife in ElCentro.
My advice is keep looking because the right one is out there.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:22 pm
by njackson580
PaulW wrote:My search lasted for many months. Ever time I saw a 96 with manual transfer the all were leakers with puddles under the motor. I was looking in AZ & CA. The one I found came from a ranchers wife in ElCentro.
My advice is keep looking because the right one is out there.
I'm still looking. Truth is, in waiting for some music equipment to sell to have the money. In my searches, it always seems the 90/91 Eddie Bauer editions have electronic 4wd. I want one with power windows and locks. Want the spare on the swing arm out back, not inside cabin. And the 5.8. Seems like the best way to get all that is Eddie Bauer, which also all seem to have the electronic 4wd.

Just wanted to be able to open my search terms to find what I want.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:45 pm
by PaulW
njackson580 wrote:
PaulW wrote:My search lasted for many months. Ever time I saw a 96 with manual transfer the all were leakers with puddles under the motor. I was looking in AZ & CA. The one I found came from a ranchers wife in ElCentro.
My advice is keep looking because the right one is out there.
I'm still looking. Truth is, in waiting for some music equipment to sell to have the money. In my searches, it always seems the 90/91 Eddie Bauer editions have electronic 4wd. I want one with power windows and locks. Want the spare on the swing arm out back, not inside cabin. And the 5.8. Seems like the best way to get all that is Eddie Bauer, which also all seem to have the electronic 4wd.

Just wanted to be able to open my search terms to find what I want.
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Broaden your search to XLT and find a fully loaded one. I never saw an eddie with manual hubs in a very long search. I found several at the time out in the farm country.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:31 pm
by njackson580
PaulW wrote:
njackson580 wrote:
PaulW wrote:My search lasted for many months. Ever time I saw a 96 with manual transfer the all were leakers with puddles under the motor. I was looking in AZ & CA. The one I found came from a ranchers wife in ElCentro.
My advice is keep looking because the right one is out there.
I'm still looking. Truth is, in waiting for some music equipment to sell to have the money. In my searches, it always seems the 90/91 Eddie Bauer editions have electronic 4wd. I want one with power windows and locks. Want the spare on the swing arm out back, not inside cabin. And the 5.8. Seems like the best way to get all that is Eddie Bauer, which also all seem to have the electronic 4wd.

Just wanted to be able to open my search terms to find what I want.
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Broaden your search to XLT and find a fully loaded one. I never saw an eddie with manual hubs in a very long search. I found several at the time out in the farm country.
Thats what I've noticed. But I'm not sure I've seen an xlt with the spare tire on the swing arm out back. Only inside the cabin. Did the xlt ever come with the spare outside?

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:40 pm
by cs_drums
Seems like searching for small potatoes depending on the build plan. It seams near impossible to find a late model without push button but how bad is it. I have never had an issue with ford stuff. The Cjevy vacumn stuff was horrible but is ford stuff really that bad. Also if it did happen to go bad a $60 shiftster in a gear bag is 3 bolts away from not worrying about it. I think your passing up a bunch of rugs with tons of potential holding out for a unicorn haha just my .02$

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:19 pm
by njackson580
cs_drums wrote:Seems like searching for small potatoes depending on the build plan. It seams near impossible to find a late model without push button but how bad is it. I have never had an issue with ford stuff. The Cjevy vacumn stuff was horrible but is ford stuff really that bad. Also if it did happen to go bad a $60 shiftster in a gear bag is 3 bolts away from not worrying about it. I think your passing up a bunch of rugs with tons of potential holding out for a unicorn haha just my .02$
Is it actually possible to just attach the manual linkage to the electronic t case? I was told by what I thought was a reputable company that the entire t case had to be changed.

Re: Auto to man transfer swap

Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:49 pm
by PaulW
njackson580 wrote:
cs_drums wrote:Seems like searching for small potatoes depending on the build plan. It seams near impossible to find a late model without push button but how bad is it. I have never had an issue with ford stuff. The Cjevy vacumn stuff was horrible but is ford stuff really that bad. Also if it did happen to go bad a $60 shiftster in a gear bag is 3 bolts away from not worrying about it. I think your passing up a bunch of rugs with tons of potential holding out for a unicorn haha just my .02$
Is it actually possible to just attach the manual linkage to the electronic t case? I was told by what I thought was a reputable company that the entire t case had to be changed.
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It wont work to use the standard shifter on the electric one. You can buy an mechanical device that attached to the side of the transfer. Climb under and move the thing with your hand and it over rides the motor. If you buy a rig with an electric transfer just add to the cost for a standard transfer with lever and swap the thing. Guys do it all the time. Get what you need off the web.
You make it to hard, just buy to your specs and keep looking. Not likely in CA look in AZ, NM, etc.
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