SteveG's 84-SOLD!

[SteveG]

Oh, cool.. that should be a pretty cool setup. Are you going to run a reverse rotation water pump with a serpentine belt or keep the standard rotation with v-belts?

I'll leave the V-belts for now. Even though I really dislike them. Only because I don't want to spend money on replacing perfectly good engine accessories. I might convert when one of the current accessories fails.

[SteveG]

Final taping has begun! I taped it this far and completed one last powered bench (read: living room floor) test before installation. I checked for spark, injector pulse and fuel pump relay activation... check, check and check. I'll also check continuity between the individual sensor connector terminals and ECM connector pins one last time before putting it in the truck.

[Silverslk]

Nice work Steve. Testing that stuff before you have to mess with it in the engine bay is a great idea.

[BajaF250]

You swapping to fuel Injection? If so, are you going speed density or Mass Air?

The engine will remain stock, so there's no advantage to using a Mass Air flow system. SD also eliminates the need for an expensive MAF sensor.

Three other reason is MAF was never offered on a C6 equipped Bronco, so SD is a must for smog purposes.

The CA BAR and referee inspection was the reason I went SD on my install... made it all a snap! Smart move. Plus, on a stock engine, you won't notice any appreciable performance gains. The SD just plain works well.

[Agui-E7TE]

So what's the deal with smog legal upgrades or swaps? From what I understand, the engine being swapped in needs to be from a newer model of any make and have all the emissions equipment operating properly (ex. LS V8 with 4L80E).

The part that always deters me from going forward with a swap is getting it registered as smog legal... does the Referee make sure it's smog legal and then certify it or do you have to go elsewhere for that and also what's the typical cost of getting it certified as a smog legal swap?

[BajaF250]

So what's the deal with smog legal upgrades or swaps? From what I understand, the engine being swapped in needs to be from a newer model of any make and have all the emissions equipment operating properly (ex. LS V8 with 4L80E).

The part that always deters me from going forward with a swap is getting it registered as smog legal... does the Referee make sure it's smog legal and then certify it or do you have to go elsewhere for that and also what's the typical cost of getting it certified as a smog legal swap?

Yup, the swap in engine must be an engine (make, model, displacement) that was offered originally in that vehicle. It can be any year from the vehicle year up. So, for example, if you have an 85 Bronco, you can put an 85 or up engine 300, 302, 351 (only an example, not sure of all the motors avail in 85 Broncos). You can't put a 2008 Chevy LS7 into your 85 Bronco. Even though it will smog clean, it doesn't fit CA smog rules.

It must pass a visual (have all of the appropriate smog equipment in place and operating) and then a sniff check. Yes, the referee ensures it meets CA requirements and then meets the smog requirements of either of 1) the smog requirements of the year/model vehicle or, 2) the year/model of the installed engine. If the engine has after market parts, they must have a CARB number or it won't pass. Once those items are passed, they enter you into the database and put a new BAR sticker on your truck... that is what they use for all future smog registrations. Once done, you start a 2-year smog cycle and you smog your vehicle like a regular CA vehicle.

[ChaseTruck754]

All of that BS is why I stick with pre-smog trucks. The 3.8L supercahrged motor I had smog legal in the ranger wouldn't be allowed by today's tighter restrictions. Too much BS & hoops to jump through for me. Stick to pre smog Agui!

[Agui-E7TE]

I think I will stick to pre smog for future vehicles but as far as Bronco's it's cool to know I could in theory pick up a cool brick nose (I just find them super cool for some reason ) and swap in a modern 351 roller with fuel injection and keep it smog legal like Tom's BajaF250 with the Lightning 351.

Speaking of pre smog, I've pretty much convinced my dad to pick up a TTB F150 Long Bed and swap his '56 F100 body onto the newer frame to get modern brakes and drivetrain. Then I'd keep the cab and build a green sticker truck out of it.

[Silverslk]

Yup, the swap in engine must be an engine (make, model, displacement) that was offered originally in that vehicle. It can be any year from the vehicle year up. So, for example, if you have an 85 Bronco, you can put an 85 or up engine 300, 302, 351 (only an example, not sure of all the motors avail in 85 Broncos). You can't put a 2008 Chevy LS7 into your 85 Bronco. Even though it will smog clean, it doesn't fit CA smog rules.

Not true Tom. The engine must be from same class (ie passenger car, light truck, etc). You couldn't put a LS7 in but you could a LQ9 or LS2 (LS2 was available in Trailblazer SS). Truck to truck, car to car..... originally offered is not a requirement.

http://www.bar.ca.gov/80_BARResources/0 ... lines.html

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm/


Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:
The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

[hobbyturnedobsession]

It's kind of goofy with the broncos. Beings that you have an f150 frame you can put any motor in it that came from a light duty truck. A light duty truck is from an f150 to f350.

[philofab]

All of your arguments are invalid in Arizona.

I can swap a blown 60s big block into a Geo Metro here.

[hobbyturnedobsession]

Hahah you should Philo.

[Agui-E7TE]

Someone has to make a thread of all the hilarious things that Philo says. I swear it gets me every time.

[MOSS2]

All of your arguments are invalid in Arizona.

I can swap a blown 60s big block into a Geo Metro here.

Just because there isn't a law against it doesnt mean that some things are just plain 'Wrong'.

[philofab]

Just because there isn't a law against it doesnt mean that some things are just plain 'Wrong'.

Whats wrong with a Chevy in a Chevy?

[ChaseTruck754]

I see no problem with any of that! I think it would be kinda cool actually

[Mojo]

Hey Steve when are we gonna see some pics of your spare tire carrier, any progress on that? I am very interested in seeing what you've done....

[Agui-E7TE]

If you've ever lit the tires on a 3 cylinder Geo Metro then you know that little 3 cylinder is a nasty little sowing machine

[Agui-E7TE]

Hey Steve when are we gonna see some pics of your spare tire carrier, any progress on that? I am very interested in seeing what you've done....

Me too, I just removed mine but I feel like putting it back on but with the stock tire, it's already started cracking the body a bit. Can't imagine what a 35 would do if I don't reinforce the body or the design of the tire gate.

[BajaF250]

Not true Tom. The engine must be from same class (ie passenger car, light truck, etc). You couldn't put a LS7 in but you could a LQ9 or LS2 (LS2 was available in Trailblazer SS). Truck to truck, car to car..... originally offered is not a requirement.

Engine Changes
Engine changes are legal as long as the following requirements are met to ensure that the change does not increase pollution from the vehicle:
The engine must be the same year or newer than the vehicle.

The engine must be from the same type of vehicle (passenger car, light-duty truck, heavy-duty truck, etc.) based on gross vehicle weight.

If the vehicle is a California certified vehicle then the engine must also be a California certified engine.

All emissions control equipment must remain on the installed engine.

Vehicles converted to 100% electric drive, with all power supplied by on-board batteries are considered in compliance with the engine change requirements. All fuel system components must be removed prior to inspection. For additional information contact the ARB helpline at (800) 242-4450

After an engine change, vehicles must first be inspected by a state referee station. The vehicle will be inspected to ensure that all the equipment required is in place, and vehicle will be emissions tested subject to the specifications of the installed engine.

Hey Andy,
Yup, I stand corrected...